Who were the Thomas and Marcy Rice descendants? Most were land owners including some who were slave owners. A lot were not just land owners but speculators. Some adventurers on expeditions with Daniel Boone. Some branches were preachers, teachers, lawyers and doctors as well. Their children moved to Hanover and surrounding VA counties. The grandchildren spread to NC, SC, KY, TN, KY and MO. Many in that generation fought in the Revolutionary War or gave aid. The following generation moved to GA, AL, IL, and on to TX. They are an American story and a migration of the southern part of the US starting in the late 1600s.

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General Information

Layout and organization of the tree: There is a separate web for most of the children of Thomas and Marcy due to the limitations on the size of a web page. Those web pages typically contain about 3 generations. Because most records such as wills and land sales documented in the county records of Hanover County Va where burned up, it can be difficult to sort out who their grandchildren descend through which of Thomas and Marcy's children. The last section of this page explains the large DNA project used to sort out the top part of the tree. It also includes lines we know via DNA are descended from Thomas and Marcy but not how. Testers location in the Thomas and Marcy tree will have Red highlight using e test kit number and will not go all the way down to a living person.

Sources

Only significant sources are on these web pages as there is too much source info to include physically on the individual web page. This Sources document pdf file contains much of the sources I have found which help date people etc. and establish relationships. It includes Personal Tax Records from 1782 on when the US really became a government. Included are census, land, legal, marriages and what ever other facts are helpful.

Inaccurate or speculative trees often conflict with each another on ancestry.com and elsewhere. This web site of Thomas and Marcy along with the individual web pages for each child is an effort to sort the trees out bases supported by documents or Y-DNA testing and use a ? to indicate what is speculative. Many Rices from the south think they descend from Thomas and Marcy. Although they left a lot of descendants all VA Rices do not descend from them. There are many other Rices in VA such as the Middlesex Rices and Maryland Rices which are a different group. Y-DNA also tells us we have zero connection to Edmund Rice of MA. More than 50 Thomas male descendants have taken some form of a ftdna Y-DNA test which has proven invaluable to sort this out.

Some parts of the tree below the grandchildren of Thomas and Marcy have not been vetted well. Other parts I have vetted quite a bit but have not vetted all details. The order of the numbers for children does NOT indicate known order of birth. Most people in the 1700s have no known birth dates. Some births were recorded in church records such as the known baptism dates of some of their children not all were recorded. But most birth dates in that period are just speculation based on census, age of children, adult or not an adult in a will, and the assumption a man is at least 21 when he starts a buys land etc. Some Personal Tax Records can start as young as 16. Numbering the children is to make the tree more visually clear. I bold children under a brown box couple and then indent/nest the grandchildren with numbers starting with one again. But that numerical order is typically speculation.

In some cases a will does not name all his children such as son Edward and his son Charles. I am adding an asterisk to the children who are actually listed when we know not all are listed. For example both Edward and his son Charles named some but not all children.

Dower rights vs dowry. Many do not understand the 2 terms. A Dower is a common law that entitled a widow to a portion of her husband's estate in absence of a will. In most circumstances, the widow was granted up to one-third interest in her husband's assets. In a deed when a woman relinquishes her dower rights means she agrees to the deed sale and will not come back after her husband's death and claim she owns 1/3 of the land that was sold in the given deed. It does not imply the land was given to her husband by her father and the sale did not imply the buyer was her father or the land was a dowry. You commonly see if there is a will it gives the wife gets 1/3 until her death or remarriage. The will may state what happens to the 1/3 when she dies or remarries.

Middle names and names of children. Many add a manufactured middle name to these men born in the early 1700s - perhaps an effort to support some theory of the man's parentage. These middle names are not supported by any documentation and middle names are very very uncommon in that period. Charles Rice b. 1715 does not have a middle name. Capt. Hezekiah Rice b. ca 1732 died in Caswell NC in 1794 does not have middle name. They frequently named children after a brother. Hence there a ton of John Rices, Thomas Rices etc who have to be sorted out. So you can not assume a given man was named after his father unless you see a Jr. There are even times the Jr is unreliable as in a few situations Sr and Jr simply meas older and younger not father and son.

Gen 1	Thomas Rice		Marcy
Birth	1650-60	England
Death	by 1711	lost at sea	1722
Marriage	1679	New Kent Co. Va

1. William Rice b. ca 1684 d. by 6 Dec 1734 Hanover m. Elizabeth
2. James Rice b. 4 Apr 1686(B) no wife or descendants - see note comment.
3. Thomas Rice b. 24 Jun 1688 (B) d. 2 Apr 1744-28 Jan 1745/6 Hanover m. Joyce
4. Edward Rice b. 17 Apr 1690(B) d. 1 May 1769 - Oct 1770 m. Mary Claiborne
5. Mary Rice b. 15 Jul 1694(B) m. John Sims
6. John Rice b.18 Sep 1698 (B) m. Mary
7. Alice Rice b. 27 Sep 1700 (B) no further record
8. Marcy Rice b. 5 Jul 1702 (B) no further record
9. David Rice m. Susannah Searcy
10. Susannah Rice m. 1730 Thomas Hart Jr.
11. Matthew Rice d. by May 1775 m. Ann unknown & m. Ann McGehee
12. ?Joseph Rice d. 16 Jun 1766 (P) m. Rachel
13. Benjamin Rice

Comments

• son James Rice has no individual web page because he has no descendants.. Although many trees list a lot of children for James, apparently he never married. The Widow House is usually named as his wife. The parish reimbursed many for aid to widows and underage orphans. James was given money for his aid to Widow House who died as Widow House. She is not his wife. In his book Rev David describes his uncle James "for 15 or twenty years my uncle James never walked without crutches or on a good day with a staff in each hand; yet when helped on a horse he rode tolerably well. " He describes in quite detail James religious history. How he could not sleep well as he searched for answers. James found old books to read - some written by the Puritans. He reread them a lot. He frequently discussed religious views with his neighbors and frequently repeated whole pages. He encouraged a friend to read some things it thought were helpful. His friend saw the light. He was more outgoing than James and he started a little church of no particular denomination. They got in trouble with the authorities for not attending the regular church. " He not only never married its unlikely he fathered illegitimate children.
• Thomas Rice came to VA about 1680. He bought land in St Peter's Parish, New Kent County, which a part became Hanover County. They moved to the northern part of Hanover and their parish was St. Pauls. The sons were land speculators and they got many grants including land in Louisa County as well as Hanover. Although most Hanover records were destroyed Louisa County has many useful records.
• The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, which was the parish created from a portion of the old St. Peter's, gave a return on 14 Mar 1708/9 for its 39 precincts, "The lands of David Crawford, Thomas Rice, John Sims (sic), and Thomas Crenshaw laying adjacent to each other being made one precinct of which the said Thomas Rice and John Sims were appointed overseers."
• "David Rice in his memoirs stated that the family of Thomas Rice was left in poor circumstances and part of the family, including his father, the elder David, moved 40 miles to Hanover to a smaller plantation on a branch of Cub Creek. David, Thomas, John, William, and Edward Rice all were known to live in this general vicinity. He states that 4 or 5 of old Thomas' children became preachers.
• Patents in Hanover county: William multiple patents starting 1722 , John multiple starting 1725 , Edward one 1731, Thomas multiple starting 1731, Thomas Hart starting 1714 father-in-law of Susannah Rice. Many of the neighbors of the Rices in Hanover such as Higgason, Estes, Graves moved to Orange/Caswell Co NC where we find 6 likely Rice grandsons as well as Susannah's Hart children.

• From the Memoir of their grandson Rev David Rice "Thomas Rice was an Englishman by birth, of Welsh extraction. He was an early adventurer into Virginia; where he spent the first part of his life is not certainly known. In the latter part of his life he owned a small plantation in the lower part of what is now (1824) called Hanover county. Here he left his wife, with nine sons and three daughters, and went to England to receive a considerable estate which had been left him, but returned no more. The sailors reported that he died at sea. It is supposed that he was assassinated. No return was ever made of the property after which he had gone, and his family were left destitute in a strange land. The family being left without an earthly father, were distressed, but they were, in the good providence of God, provided for. The greater part moved about thirty miles farther up the Canada West, where they procured a small plantation, on which they raised numerous families; four or five of them became professors of religion, and were succeeded in their religious profession by a considerable number of their children." Susannah Rice Hart is referred to as his aunt.
• Number of children. Grandson Rev David Rice (son of David) also says Thomas left 9 sons and 3 daughters behind when he left. There are 3 females that have a baptism record for Thomas and Marcy Rice so Susannah means 4 girls. But to date I have found nothing for daughters Alice or Marcy and David was talking about the number of living children when Thomas left so at least one probably died before Thomas left.
• Order of children is a guess based on the younger children not being in the Vestry Book. Williams placement is based on the age of his sons in his will so he presumably predated the Vestry Book.

Suggested other children disprove: Trees suggest:

1. A daughter Elizabeth Rice m. Richard Bennett . They had 2 sons with the name Rice in it and that seems the reason for adding her. But Richard has a birth date and location of Middlesex VA. The Rice family of Middlesex is unrelated to Thomas and Marcy so Elizabeth may belong to them.
2. A son Francis is suggested too. He is not a son based on Y-DNA testing.
3. Henry Rice is proposed as a son of Thomas and Marcy. The Henry Rice they say was b. 1717, lived and married in Spotsylvania VA, moved to Pickens SC then and died 1818 in Union Co TN. This Henry is exuded based on Y-DNA testing.

Land Patents map of eastern Louisa and northwest Hanover Counties VA

This is a map of eastern Louisa and northwest Hanover Counties VA. The green diagonal line is the county boundary. It has Land Patents of several of Thomas and Marcy's children and others with descendants who married Rice's. It does not contain normal county land sales - just sales from the colonies "state" government. There are also neighbors whose descendants likely married into the family but the tree is not clear and they are not included. They can be added as more information emerges Thomas and Marcy children: William, Thomas, John, and Edward and daughters Thomas and Susannah Rice Hart (his father's land), and John and Mary Rice Sims. Allied Families: Robert Sercey daughter Susanna married David Rice, Nicholas Mills had a grandson Nicholas Rice (many assume Nicholas Mill's daughter is Jane first wife of Thomas Jr/Esq of Caswell), Richard Estes daughter Letisha married John's son John Jr/Sr of Caswell NC James Garland married Mary Rice Edward Bullock had 3 children who married 3 Rices: Clifton, Hezekiah, and Ann Rice Matthew Jouet's daughter Nancy Jouett married Jeptha Rice son Hezekiah Rice of Caswell NC Benjamin Sanders son Thomas married David's daughter Elizabeth Rice. Philip Higgison's granddaughter married William Rice son of Thomas Rice CB of Caswell NC William Hix may be the father of the 2 Hix daughters Judith and Alice who married the 2 sons of David - Jesse and James Rice. The tool used to map these Land Patents is DeedMapper

The map is to show which countries various members of the family lived in the 1700s in Virginia

Henrico - Thomas & Marcy original home Hanover - the family moved to northern part William, James, Thomas, John, & Edward got grant deeds late 1770s David's son Jesse and his 2 sons an unk Nathaniel an unk Charles who moves to Louisa Louisa - living in Hanover but land in Louisa: Thomas, John, Edward living in Louisa Thomas son William, John Jr, Edward's son Charles who moves to Goochland an unk Charles who moved from Hanover to Louisa an unk Charles and Martha who moved to Cumberland VA an unk Hezekiah b ca 1730- could be the one who went to Caswell an unk Hezekiah b ca 1750 who is likely Charles Sr's son who went to Union SC Nicholas Rice grandson of Nicholas Mills Sr Albemarle - Mary Rice Garland, Edward Jr, Hezekiah, Tandy Bedford - David sons Rev David, William B, Benjamin Prince Edward - Matthew & Joseph Campbell - David's grandson Jesse Culpeper - William Jr Cumberland - Amelia - Chesterfield - Goochland - Edward & sons Edward & Charles and Charles son William Fluvanna - Charles Sr (in 85) & sons Tandy & John Powhatan - Charles Jr

Time Line

1. 11 Jul 1719 Thomas Rice Land Patent Hanover
2. 18 Feb 1722/23 William Rice Land Patent Hanover
3. 24 Mar 1725/26 John Rice Land Patent Hanover
4. 26 Jun 1731 Edward Rice Land Patent Louisa and Thomas Rice Land Patent Louisa
5. 25 Aug 1731John Rice Land Patent Louisa and Thomas Rice Land Patent Louisa
6. 11 Apr 1732 Thomas Rice Land Patent Louisa
7. 28 Jan 1733/4 John Rice Land Patent Hanover
8. 26 Feb 1733/4 - 6 Dec 1734 William Rice Sr dies
9. 20 Jul 1736 Thomas Rice Land Patent Louisa
10. 1 Feb 1743 Matthew Rice a resident of Hanover buys land Amelia/Prince Edward Co
11. 2 Apr 1744 - 28 Jan 1745/6 Thomas Rice Sr dies
12. 12 Jan 1746 Joseph Rice buys land Amelia/Prince Edward Co
13. 1759 Susannah Rice Hart and her fmaily move to Orange/Caswell Co
14. Feb 1764 Thomas Rice Jr/Esq/Sherriff (Thmas Sr) buys land Orange/Caswell Co. John Rice Jr/Sr (John Rice Sr) may also have purchased land then
15. by 1771 Hezekiah Rice joins the militia of his Hart cousin Orange/Caswell Co
16. 1775 Thomas Rice CB (John Rice Sr) moves to Orange/Caswell Co
17. by 1777 John Rice Jr/Sr (John Rice Sr) James Rice (David), John Rice (David) are all in Caswell Co when Caswell is created from Orange Co
18. 1783-6 Hezekiah Rice (Charles, Edward) moves to Union Co KY
19. late 1797 James Rice (David) moves to Logan Co KY, John Rice (David) moves to Davidson Co then Wilson Co TN
20. 3 Nov 1813 Jesse Rice Jr (Jesse Sr, David) buys land from his Aunt Sabra Hix Morris in Campbell Co VA

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Hanover late 1700s:

There are only 3 Rice men who paid land taxes in Hanover around the late 1700s. The tax records start in 1782.

1. One is Jesse Rice son of David who is in St. Martin's district. He leaves his farm to 2 of his three sons. They stay there and they have children staying in the area of Beaverdam.
2. One is a Charles d. 22 Mar 1811 Louisa VA m. ? ?Garland m. 22 Dec 1808 Louisa Sarah Lipscomb Will He bought land in Hanover in 1786 and labeled as from Caroline. Paid taxed 1787 -1800. He buys land in Louisa 1799 and the remaining records are in Louisa. He may not be in the family. Although Caroline is nearby Hanover no other Rice's in th family seem to be there.
   1. Nancy Garland Rice b. 7 Feb 1807 Louisa Co VA d. 23 Oct 1864 Springfield, Washington County, KY m. Anthony McElroy
   2. Mary Ann Rice b. 1811 d. after 1860 m. 10 Sep 1827 Abraham Perkins m. 12 Feb 1839 Louisa VA Nathaniel Holland
3. The third is Nathaniel Rice who has land 1782 to 1800 when he sells the land.
4. In the late 1700s Hanover the separate personal property records in St Paul's district with a few Rice's: Holman 82-85, Nancy 94-95, Samuel 98-1800

Accounts in 2 Stores

The Virginia Genealogy Society Quarterly published the account of 2 stores in the early to mid 1800s that occurred near the Rices. This is a list Rices and other allied families. More detail can be found in the online records but this is a list of names of interest and can aid in a time line.

Accounts of Store of Thomas Partridge & Co Volumes 23 to 25

• There are names of 2 existing ledgers. The stores were from 2 different owners and perhaps slightly different locations. It is assumed they were near the Louisa and Hanover VA county border.
• 1734 John & Sarah Blalock & Jr, Joseph,Wm Lucy, Henry Hicks, Charles, Charles Sr (son Robert & John) , Charles Jr, Archelaus , John, Jaconias , Roland, James, Richard Yance, William Hix, William, Joseph Hicks, Steven, John Ragland, Mathew Jouet, Edward, Capt Peter Garland, Mrs Jaen Garland, David Bullock, Charles, Philip Higginson, Wm Nichols. John Sanders, David Rice, Matthew, Henry, Mrs. Elizabeth Mills, William, Samuel Nucholls, Charles Higinson. John, John Jr Sanders. Miss Bullock. Nathn Kimbro,
• 1737 Richard, Robert, James, Jeconias, John, Charles, Charles Sr, Archelaus , Yancy, Elizabeth Mills. Edward, Robert, Cap Peter Garland, Ed Bullock, John , John jr Ragland, Philip Higginson, Buckley Kimbrow, Samuel Nuckolls, ,William Nichold, John Jr Sanders,
• 1737-1741 James, Samuel, William Nuchols, Henry, Elizabeth, David, Matthew Mills, James, Charles sr, Charles jr, Jeconias, Richard, Robert Yancy, John, David Bullock, Cap Peter, Edward Garland, John Sr, John jr Sanders, John Sr Ragland, William Hix, Joseph Hicks, Phillip, Henry, Charles Higginson, Charles Barrett, Matthew Jouet , William, Nath, Morris Kimbro , Richard Estes , Robert, Allen, Wm, Nichols, Henry Mills,
• End of Mr Patridge store
• 1756 John, James, James jr , William, Matthew (son James). Macajah SImes, Richard Henry, Keeling, Wm Gooch, Pau, Elizabeth Epperson. Edward, Patterson, William, John, Edward jr ,Richard Bullock, Samuel , Charles, James, Judah, John Nicholls, Major, John jr Kimbrow, Charles , Robert , Barrett, Clifton, Charles, David, Nathl, Thomas Rice, John, John jr, Benjamin, George, Nathl, Hezekiah (son of John) Sanders Wm Ragland, Charles, James Milles, Abraham, George, Robert, Robert jr Estes (Robert son Elisha), William Kimbrow, Joseph, Henry Hicks, Hanna William Yancy, Henry, Richard Keeling, William Hicks, William , Joseph Gooch, Nathaniel Harts, Charles Higgason, John Haggard, Mrs, Benjamin, Nathanial, David Hearts

A Merchant's Account Book: Hanover County, Fransis Jerdone 1743-1744 Volumes 34 to 38

• There are many entries for most of them but especially Edward and Charles. Robert Rice jist occurs once and have not seen the name elsewhere. Robert may be unrelated.
• Joseph (listed twice in a manor indicating 2), WIlliam, James, Robert, Charles (Louisa), Edward (Hanover), several listings for agents Smith & Rice

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Likely lines but not proven with Y-DNA nor paper trail back to Thomas and Marcy Rice

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?? Mary Rice b. 13 Oct 1732 Hanover d. 1812 m. 1745 James Garland Sr d. 1812 Albemarle VA (None of this verified by me)

1. William Garland b. 1746 Hanover VA d. 1777 Town of Staunton, Augusta Co VA m. Frances Ann Shepherd b, 1746 Saint Anne's Parish, Albemarle Cd. BET. 22 APR 1787–09 FEB 1792 • Albemarle Co VA,
   Children: Frances Maria Anna Garland, David Shepherd Garland, Mary Garland, James Garland, Sarah Garland
2. Nancy Ann Garland b. 1748 d. 10 DEC 1837 Lewis County, KY m. Thomas Collins
3. Nannie Garland 1748–1778 m. ? Lucas
   Children: Mary Polly Lucas b. 27 DEC 1774 • Albemarle Co VA d. ABT 1815
   
4. Nathaniel Garland b. 1750 Hanover Co VA d. BEF. 05 NOV 1793 Albemarle Co m. Jane Rodes
   Chikdren: Anderson Garland, Lucy Garland, Peter Garland, Mary Ann Garland, Nelson Garland, Frances Garland, , Elizabeth Garland,
5. John Garland b. ABT. 1751 d. ca 1779 Died of camp fever in the Revolution
6. James Garland Jr b. ABT. 1753 • Hanover Co d. BET. 01 NOV 1780–01 JAN 1781 Charlottsville, Albemarle Co VA m. Annie Wingfield
   Children: Hudson Martin Garland Sr, Alexander Spotswood Garland, James Parker Garland, Henrietta Garland
7. Sally Garland 1755 - 1780 m. Thomas Collins II
   Children: Garland Collins, Barbee Collins, Elizabeth Collins, Nancy Collins
8. Edward Garland b. 1756 d. BET. 26 MAR–07 JUL 1817 • Albemarle m. 6 Sep 1785 Amherst Sarah Old
   Children: Mary Garland, Fleming Garland, Nathaniel Garland, Ellizabeth Garland, Sarah Garland, William Hamner Garland, Maria Bullock Garland, James Nathniel Garland
9. Thomas Garland b. ABT. 1757d. OCT 1822 • Bowling Green, Warren Co KY m. Mary FIelds
   Children: Ann Garland, Robert Garland, Sarah Garland, John Garland, Sally Garland, Elizabeth Garland, Teresa Garland, Rhonda Garland, Mary Rice Garland, Franky Garland, Amelia Garland, Nancy Garland,
10. Mary Rice Garland 3 OCT 1760 • North Garden, Albemarle Co d. 4 DEC 1835 • Near "Hanging Rock", Paint Lick Creek, Garrard County, KY m. James Woods
    Children: John Woods, Mary Rice Woods, Jsmes Garlanf Woods, Willaim Woods, Sarah Woods, Anderson Woods, Susannah Woods, Rice Garland Woods, Michael Woods, Elizabeth Woods, Frances Woods, Nathaniel Rice Woods
    
11. Rice Garland Sr b. ABT. 1764 • Albemarle d. 5 MAY 1819 • North Garden, Albemarle m. Elizabeth Austin Hamner
    Children: Garland, William Garland, James Garland, Samuel Garland, Rhody Garland, Elizabeth Garland,Mary Rice Garland, Rice Garland Jr , Aaron Burr Garland, Clifton Garland, Maurice Hamner Garland, Nicholas Austin Garland, John F Garland
    
12. Elizabeth Garland b. BET. 1766 d. BET. 06 FEB 1838–06 JUN 1842 • Albemarle m. Thomas Garland
    Children: Overton Garland, Clifton Garland, Sally Garland, Thomas Robert Garland
    
13. Robert Garland b. ABT. 1768 • North Garden, Albemarle d, ABT. 1834 • Nelson County, VA m. Nancy Stone
14. Clifton Garland ABT. 1769 • North Garden, Albemarle d. BET. 02–13 MAR 1814 • Warren, Albemarle

Comments

• Many trees have Mary Rice b. 13 Oct 1732 Hanover m. 1745 James Garland Sr. d. 1812 Albemarle VA as a daughter of David. Although she is clearly a Rice it is unlikely she is a daughter of David. It is unlikely David had 2 daughters named Mary. Mary Rice who married Edmund Haggard is a daughter indicated by her nephew David Rice son of Benjamin. David says David Sr had 4 daughters but gives no clues for the 4th. She May have not married or may even have died young. Mary Rice Garland has no sons called David.. Her location in Albemarle with other Edward children and having a son named Edward make it more likely she is a daughter of Edward. But she is listed as a question mark since it is not known for sure.
• Merchant Records Hanover 1744-5 Rice: Edward, Charles, James, Joseph (2)

??Thomas Rice d. 6 to 26 Sep 1795 Charlotte VA John Rice Sr a witness

• William Rice d. 1829 m. Sally /Sarah P d. by 1830
  • Thomas *
  • William H *
  • James *
  • Sally m. Nicholes Servis *
  • Polly Foster *
  • Esther
  • Nancy
  • Melly Campbell
  • Elizabeth Jackson
  • Narcissa Rice *
• Samuel Rice land in KY
• Cillar Rice m. John Cardwell
  • Elizabeth Cardwell
• Elizabeth Rice
• David Rice d. 1825 w Sarah
  • Paton
  • Lucy H m. Charles Hutcherson
  • Elizabeth m. Donglass Hancocks
• Esther Rice m. Henry Pamlin
• Rebecca Rice m. Joseph White
• Nancy Rice

??John Rice Sr of Charlotte Co VA witnessed will of Thomas Rice

• John Rice Jr m. 26 Oct 1791 Charlotte, VA Anna Johns daughter of Thomas Johns who along wirh John Sr wirnessed the will of Thomas Rice
  • David Rice m. b. 1799 m. 29 Oct 1825 Charlotte, ViA Martha Herndon Brooks (daughter of James Brooks Sold their land ca 1850 and moved to Henderson Co TN
    • John
    • David
    • Francis
    • Joel
    • Sarah
    • Mary Calhoun Rice
    • Louisa
    • William
    • Joseph Hwendon

??Joseph Rice, b 12 Feb 1790, d. 16 Mar 1845 Warrick Co IN m. 17 Nov 1809 Warren, KY Fanny Broadfield Will Clarissa Bradwell b. 1800 SC might be Fanny's sister. They moved to Indiana 1817

1. Axley Rice b. 27 Aug 1811 Bowling Green, Warren Co KY d. 23 JUN 1896 Lynnville, Warrick Co IN m. Eleanor Hunsaker
   1. Sarah Rice Age 16
   2. Jepperson Rice Age 12
   3. Joseph Rice Age 10
   4. Washington Rice Age 7
   5. Miles Rice Age 5
   6. Henry Rice Age 4
   7. Daniel Rice Age 2
   8. Laura Rice Age 2
2. Miles b. 1814 m. 15 May 1845 Warrick Co IN Lydia Dawson
   1. Sarah A Rice 13 1860
   2. Mary F Rice 11
   3. Arminda E Rice 7
   4. Joseph A Rice
   5. Elizabeth Rice 24 1880
   6. Tillman L. Rice 18
   7. Susan S. Rice 15
   8. Lorena Rice 14
3. Union Rice b. 25 Oct 1816 d. 25 Oct 1896 m. Margaret
   1. Eli 1840
   2. William
   3. Matilda
   4. Frances
   5. Clarissa
   6. Albert L Rice 7 1860
   7. Franklin L Rice 6
   8. Miles N Rice
   9. Warrick Rice

 

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Y-DNA Explanation and what it tells us

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Y-DNA testing can be complicated and confusing. Here are some basics about the results. Y-DNA testing is based on the Y chromosome for males which passed father to son almost completely unchanged. There can be mutations but not frequently. Females can not do this test as they have no y-chromosome. It deals only with the direct paternal line for a man. His father to his paternal grandfather to that paternal great grandfather etc. Autosomal DNA test chromosomes 1-22 and although matches can tell you are related to someone but not HOW. It can be anyone of your ancestors. Autosomal reaches back typically 6 to 8 generations. Many companies do this like ancestry.com and MyHeritage. Y-DNA tests are done through the company ftdna. Y-DNA tells you that matches can only be done through direct male lineage which is a sliver of all a man's ancestors but it can go back much further in time than an autosomal test.

1. The Big-Y tests SNPs Single nucleotide polymorphisms: This test over 600 DNA SNP markers and is the most expensive y-dna test. DNA SNP markers are only one of 4 amino acids: adenine (A) and thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C) With only 4 possible values at each marker has a huge number of men sharing the same value at any one marker. SNPs determine Haplogroups and are the gold standard for DNA for genealogy. Mutations of SNP mutations are not common and do not usually mutate flip back to the original mutation in subsequent generations. Most Y tested have mutations. They have two names: Names Variants and Private Variants. Named Variants mean 2 ftdna Big-Y testers share a common SNP mutation. Variant variants have no other testers with that mutation. As we get more Big-Y testers some times they have mutations/variants that match another tester and its exciting as a new Haplogroup is formed and can aid people in verifying their tree or give them a direction for research if they have a dead end before getting back to Thomas and Marcy.
2. Lower levels of Y Testing are Y-12 to Y-111 tests STRs Short tandem repeats: Y-37 is the minimum level today. This tests any where from 12 to 111 DNA markers at various cost levels but less than a Big-Y. A Big Y includes Y-111 . STRs are not testing which of the 4 amino acids reside at each spot but counts a count of repeats of same SNPs. The STRs mutate more frequently than SNPs. For example a sequence could be AAAATTTTTTTTCCC. The first marker has a repeat of 4 As. These are more frequent mutations than SNPS and sometimes with mutation flip back to the original mutation is subsequent generations. Hence the Genetic Distance can be misleading when a mutation flips back to the original mutation is subsequent generations.
3. Since SNPs usually stay the same value in subsequent generations, so a mutation that appears in one Rice man in the 1600s will usually be be identical in all their descendants. Since STRs mutate much more frequently a mutation appears in a Rice male in the 1600s may be different in subsequent generations. The 111 STRs actually have different mutation rates, So very experienced Y-DNA researchers look at the mutation rates to evaluate the results.

 

1. The Y-DNA Rice Project is based on the company ftdna Y-12 to Y-111 tests STRs but includes Big-Y Haplogroup information. Thomas Rice of Hanover descendants are in Group 4. It is voluntary for a Y-DNA tester to join the Y-DNA Rice Project but most do as its a very useful tool. A couple of tests in Group 4 are on the fringes and could be a direct descendant of a close male relative of Thomas such as a brother or male paternal cousin etc. But to date we have no paper trail or indication of a close male relative to Thomas vs Thomas himself but it is a possibility. The closest Big-Y tester outside of Thomas and Marcy tests slits from out group around 1250 CE. The following two tests in Group4 have a weaker connection than all of the other tester if Group 4.
   1. 663204 Benjamin Reynolds B. 1796 South Carolina D.1870 KY at Y-67 is a 7 genetic distance
   2. 286865 John Bryant Rice b. 1791 SC d. 1866 Covington, AL at Y-37 is a 6 genetic distance
2. All other Y-DNA testers in other groups prove they are unrelated.
   The testers in other groups than 4 are not related to Thomas.

• Group 5: Archibald Rice (1795-1864) of VA and Carter Co., KY; Elijah Rice (1787-1860) of VA and Carter Co., KY; Bailey Rice, b 1753 Virginia, d. 1851 W. Virginia, Mathias Rice (1801-1843) of Lawrence Co., KY; and, one descends from Ezekiel Rice, b. 1777, Wythe Co., VA, son of James and Elinor.
• Group 6: James Rice, ca. 1740-1817, Loudon Co, VA. A John Rice with a brother James Rice of Loudon Co bought land in Caswell Co NC were James moved briefly after John died. They were far from all the other Rice's of Caswell county and could not read or write 0 unlike the Rices of Caswell county in this tree.
• Group 7: Henry Rice, the Tennessee Grist miller (1717-1818). John Rice, d.1834, Madison CO, AL; Thomas Manson Rice, b. 1828, Hawkins Co., TN, and d. aft. 1900, Whitley CO, KY; John L. Rice, b. ca 1800, SC; Reuben Rice, b. ca. 1776 and m. Lydia Shaner ca. 1800, Hawkins Co., TN;
• Group 7A: Richard Rice b. between 1770-1780 and d. 1841, Elbert Co., GA; ????another tester descends from Benajah Rice, d. 1819, Boone Co., KY, a son of William Rice who d. 1789, Culpeper Co., VA. But this group is very small and the lines do not seem related. Hopefully more testers will bring clarity.
  Group 9: William B. Rice Sr., b. 1794, NC through his sons of White/Putnam Co., TN, Abraham Rice, b. ca. 1745, Isham Rice (d. 1804, Rowan Co., NC), m. Sarah Womack ;Francis Rice (ca. 1711-ca.1770) who wed Sarah Womack, with a line that includes the Thomas Rice (b. 1785) of Prince Edward Co., VA, who m. Susannah Biggers in 1807 This Thomas has been confused with the other Thomas Rice of around the same age who married Nancy Drake Taylor. Thomas with wife Nancy bought and sold land with Thomas' brother Zachariah showing he is the correct Thomas son of Matthew but this DNA makes it even more clear.
• Group 10: Rices from Maryland, a Joseph Rice (b. 1765, MD)
• Group 11: Joseph Rice (b. 1794) who m. Mary Miller, 1819, Rhea Co., TN
• Group 12: John G. W. Rice, born ca. 1807, Jefferson Co, TN
• Group 13: Samuel R. Rice, b. 1744, Virginia
• Matches list a Genetic Distance between testers which can have anomalies where testers can appear closer or further than they actual are. A match with a Genetic Distance of 0 is not necessary a closer match then with a tester with Genetic Distance of 1.

A map of path of this Haplogroup from Adam to Thomas Rice of Hanover VA (Red marker)

 

Block Tree of Haplogroups for Thomas Rice Descendants

A highlight in the individual trees in red are the various tester within a tree. For example when you look at the page for son John born 1698 you will see where a tester is in the tree. Testers are no identified by name but by their kit number for privacy reasons.

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R-FT101660
R-FGC17119 Thomas Rice of Henrico Haplogroup R-FGC17119 represents a man (Thomas Rice of Hanover) who is estimated to have been born around 1600. The man who is the most recent common ancestor to him is estimated to have been born around 1250 CE. So if Thmas had brothes, uncles etc they left no male descendants who have taken a Big Y. They may							R-FGC17119 Robert Phillips is the closet tester connected prior to Thomas and that common ancestor is around 1250 CE
R-FGC17108 Thomas' son John b. 1698 Mutation first occurred in John as both sons had it R-FGC17124 2 of his decendants have formed a sub Haplegroup though Thomas Cabin Branch	R-FTB38469 Thomas' son Edward Mutation first occurrence in Edward's line is unknown but one tester has a good tree to to Edward	R-FTF73273 Unknown which son they descend from but likely Thomas or Benjamin	R-M6586 Thomas' son Matthew - Nathan - Jesse Matthew himself did not have a mutation as one tester in his line does not share a SNP mutation with other Big-Y testers in Matthew's line.			R-FGC17119 No unique mutations at this time are shared with any other secendants of Thomas and Marcy New testers sharing a SNP mutauion with someone in this group will create a new Haplogroup.

 

Haplogroup R-FGC17119

This group is the top level and includes anyone in this group has no unique mutation/ SNP named variants linking them to another testers. As new testers occur they may have the SNP private variant. It then beciomes a Named Variant and a new Haplogroup is formed indicating they are very closly related.

R-FGC17119 Line 1: MK65024 Thomas & Marcy to David and Susanna Searcy to James Rice to Hiram

R-FGC17119 Line 2: 321665 Thomas & Marcy to David and Susanna Searcy to William B Rice

R-FGC17119 Line 3: 241362 Thomas & Marcy to Matthew Rice to Charles Rice to Rowlette Rice

R-FGC17119 Line 4: 812625 Thomas & Marcy to Matthew Rice to William Rice to Ezekiel Rice

R-FGC17119 Line 5: 307339 Rev John Rice 1760 VA 1843

R-FGC17119 Line 6: 975358 Thomas & Marcy to David and Susanna Searcy to James Rice to Jonathon

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Haplogroup R-FTF73273

• R-FTF73273 Line 1: 204028 Thomas & Marcy- through unknown son probably Thomas or Benjamin - to Hezikiah Rice m Mary Bullock of Caswell NC
  • R-FTF73273 Line 2: 1001359 Thomas & Marcy - likely a nephew of Hezekiah above through unknown son of probably Thomas or Benjamin - and then through an unidentified brother of Hezekiah above to - Hezekiah Rice m Mary saunders of SC.
  • R-FTF73273 Line 3: 1014965 Unknown tree

  Background the six Rice cousin/siblings of Caswell County

  There are 6 Rice males of southeastern Caswell County. John, Thomas Cabin Branch of St David's District who were brothers , James, John of Gloucester District who were brothers , Justice/Sheriff Thomas and Capt Hezekiah of St David's District who were brothers or cousins and their aunt Susannah Rice Hart and her family. There is a John Rice in the northeast part of the county but he is unrelated. These 6 men are grandsons of Thomas and Marcy Rice of Hanover. Between DNA testing and paper trail 5 can be assigned to a specific son.

  1. The first to come was Susannah Rice Hart's family by the late 1750s. It was called Orange Co NC but the part the family bought land became Caswell Co in 1777.
  2. Thomas Rice Jr/Esq/Sheriff. In Feb 1764 registered a purchase of 174 A on Countyline Creek.
  3. John Jr/Sr may have purchased land at the the same time as Thomas but it's not clear where the land was and later there was a different John Rice in Orange Co So John's arrival date can not be determined.
  4. Hezekiah came by 1771 when he became a Lt Captain in the militia under his cousin Nathaniel Hart.
  5. Thomas Rice (CB) came in 1775 according to his son William H Rice's Rev War Pension Application.
  6. The brothers James and John and their sister Mary Rice Haggard and her husband probably came not long before 1777. They are in the 1777 tax list with James having the 174 A from his cousin Thomas Jr/Esq/Sheriff. John has no land in Oct but by Dec has some land. Edmund Haggard has some land. But the land they ended up with in later taxes came from their Grand Deeds applied for in 1778/9 with exception that James still had the 174 A he got from his cousin Thomas along with his Grant Deeds lands.
  7. Because deed books for Orange County were destroyed we only have the simple registration of land through 1768 in Orange Co then nothing ts until Caswell records started in 1777 we can not get precise dates when they obtained the land until Caswell Co.
  8. Susannah Rice Hart is said to have died in Caswell. John Sr, Thomas Esq, Thomas CB, and Hezekiah all died in Caswell. Brothers James and John sold their land within a month of each other late 1797 with James moving to Logan Co KY and John to Davidson TN and then Wilson Co TN, It is said Mary Rice Haggard died in Caswell before her husband Edmund moved to KY.
  9. John and Thomas Cabin Branch are bothers and sons of John Sr y-dna proven
  10. James and John are brothers and sons of David paper trail
  11. Thomas Rice Esq m. Jane/Abigail is son of Thomas m. Joyce paper trail

  Capt Hezekiah of Caswell's father and grandfather of Hezekiah of Union is unknown but we do know the following:

  • Based on the two Hezekiahs being in the same Haplogroup
    • they are not father and son as Capt. Hezekiah of Caswell has a son Hezekiah who is well documented and not the Hezekiah of Union Co SC
    • the approximate age appear and close Big-Y tests they likely uncle and nephew.
    • We can eliminate the following sons of Thomas and Marcy as Capt. Hezekiah of Caswell 's potential father
      • bads on DNA Hezekiah is not a son of John, Edward or David
      • based on paper trail he is proven not a son of David (all children named by David's grandson in a letter), Matthew (all children listed an Chancery court case), or William (all sons listed in will).
      • based on paper trail he is likely not a son of Jospeh or James
    • Therefore he is likely the son of Thomas or Benjamin. Thomas is he most likely of the two as Thomas the Sheriff is a likely brother to Hezekiah as they came to Caswell around the same time and lived near each other where as their cousins John and Thomas cabin branch were in the area but further away and their cousins John and James were also further away. So there were 3 location groupings of the 6 grandsons.
    • Although many trees give Hezekiah a middle name of Benjamin, Hezekiah had no middle name and did not name a son Benjamin. But since we have no paper record of Benjamin other than his name, he can not eliminate him as a potential father to Hezekiah.
    • Additional Big-Y tests of Rice descendants may shed light on this

  Line 1 Capt. Hezekiah Rice b. ca 1732 VA d. 1796 Caswell Co NC m. Mary Bullock

  1. Gideon Rice b. 1758
     1. Churchwell Rice b. 1776-1780 m. 15 Sep 1801 Craven Polly Jones m. 17 Nov 1804 Craven Siner Riggs or Senie Biggs m.31 Jan 1812 Craven Mary Sawyer d. 1844 Craven
        1. Spenser Riceb. 1808
        2. Dempsey Rice
        3. Gideon Rice
     2. Dempsey Rice lost at sea no children
  2. Annis Rice b. 4 Mar 1759 m. 26 Feb 1783 Caswell NC witness Hezekiah Rice Capt John Oldham b. 10 Nov 1757 Prince Edward VA d. 17 Nov 1831Estill County, KY Rev War Pension
     1. Abner Oldham
     2. Absalom Oldham
     3. Hezekiah Oldham
     4. Caleb Oldham
     5. Mary Oldham
     6. Sarah Oldham
     7. Elizabeth Oldham
     8. Nancy Oldham
     9. John Rice Oldham
     10. John M Oldham
  3. Ibzan Rice Sr b. 26 Jun 1760 d. 1847 Caswell Co. NC m. 27 Feb 1796 Caswell NC Dolly G. Carlos m. 8 Dec 1818 Polley Brooks m. 5 May 1824 Ursley Brooks Estate
     1. Martha G Rice b. 1793 d. 25 Aug 1855 McDowell County, NC m. 10 Aug 1818 Caswell Dennis Wilson d. 8 Sep 1880 Raleigh, NC
        1. R. Don Wilson
        2. Franklin Inge "Frank" Wilson
        3. Frances Jane Wilson
        4. Mary E. Wilson
        5. Emily Ruth Wilson
        6. Martha Laura Wilson
     2. Dorothy Carlos Rice b. 1805 d. after 1880 m. 7 Jun 1823 Caswell Jonathan Brooks Watlington b. 13 Jun 1791 d. 6 Aug 1844 lived in Monticello, Guilford Co NC then a number of them went to Bowie TX
        1. James Monroe Watlington b. 1824
        2. John Armistead Watlington b. 1826
        3. William Paul Watlington b. 1828
        4. Thomas Jefferson Watlington b. 1830
        5. Edward D Watlington b. 1832
        6. Alexander Rice Watlington b. 1 Apr 1834 d. 24 Jun 1841
        7. Lt Robert Henry Watlington b. 16 Jan 1841 NC d. 12 May 1921 New Boston, Bowie, TX served civil war confederate
     3. Frances/ Fanny B Rice b. 1800-1810 d. 1840-1850 m. 24 May 1825 Caswell d. by 1850 m. Anderson Willis b. 1b01 d. 1865 John Rice attorney
        1. Laura A Willi m. Graves m. James W Henry
        2. Elizabeth Willi m. Thornton T Baynes
     4. Elizabeth Rice b. 1808 m. 8 Jun 1832 Caswell Richard Carter Stubblefield - in 1860 Concord, Calloway, KY
        1. William Monroe Rufus Lafayette Stubblefield
        2. Richard Carter Ibzan Stubblefield
        3. Lacy Ann Amanda Stubblefield
        4. John Carter Stubblefield
        5. Samuel Earl Stubblefield
        6. Alfred Bethel Stubblefield
        7. Elizabeth Virginia Frances Stubblefield
     5. Ibzan Rice Jr b. Oct 1820 Caswell Co, NC d. 29 Nov 1887 Pittslyvania, VA m. 13 Dec 1849 Emeline Totten
        1. William F. Rice
        2. Thomas Jefferson Rice
        3. Sallie A. Rice
        4. John H. Rice
        5. Albert E. Rice
        6. Elizabeth Baines Rice
        7. Marcellus L. Rice
     6. Amanda Rice
     7. Louisa Rice
     8. C.R. Rice minor in 1848 Richard Jones friend
     9. Hezekiah Rice minor in 1848 Richard Jones friend
  4. Milly Rice b. ca 1761 d. after 1850 m. 25 Nov 1786 Caswell m. John Calles/Chilles resided Madison, KY
     1. Ann Rice b. 1805 NC
     2. Nancy Rice b. 1807 NC
  5. Leut. Jeptha Rice b. ca 1762 Albemarle County VA d. Sep 1821 Gallatin, Sumner County TN m. 19 Aug 1784 Caswell Nancy Jouett Rev War Pension in Caswell 1811 Davidson TN
     1. Baldwin Rice b. 28 Jul 1787 Caswell Co d. 13 Aug 1847 in Hardin, TN
     2. Mary/Polly Rice b. 13 Aug 1788 d. 17 Sep 1854 Hardin County, T m. Levi Smith
     3. Elizabeth Rice b. 1796 Caswell, NC d. 1853 in Mcnairy, T m. William Ponds
     4. Matthew Rice b. 1800 m. 10 Feb 1823 Sumner TN Sally Ponds
     5. P Kenas Rice b. 1798 d. 1826 TN m. Mary Pond
     6. Avery Rice b. 1805 d. 1 Aug 1859 m. Perry Smith
     7. Joseph Henry Rice b. 1803 Caswell Co NC d. 1 Aug 1859 in Caldwell Co TX m. 22 Jan 1827 in Sumner Co TN Malissa Ambrose
     8. Martha/Patsy Rice ca 1798 d. 21 Jan 1866 Hendersonville, Sumner Co TN m. 9 Jul 1823 Sumner, TN Elisha Gibson
  6. Hezekiah Rice Jr b. 5 Feb 1764 Albemarle County, VA d. 16 Jan 1860 Belton, Anderson, SC m. 5 Apr 1787 Bedford Co VA Nancy/Polly Leftwich moved to SC
     1. Mary "Polly" Rice
     2. Ibzan Rice
     3. Thomas Leftwich Rice
     4. Rev Amaziah Rice
     5. Asenath Rice m. Rev William McGee
     6. Hezekiah Rice III
     7. Louisa Rice McGee
     8. Fleetwood Rice 1 Mar 1809 - Pendelton District, Anderson, South Carolina, USA d. 23 Nov 1866 - Tyler, Smith, TX Haplogroup R-R-FTF73273 #204028
     9. Irene Smith Rice m. atiner
  7. Edmond Rice b. 1770 d. 1860 Madison, AL m. 5 Dec 1795 Caswell Co NC Henrietta Rice (Parents Nathan Rice son of Thomas Rice cabin branch and Sarah Williamson) m. Sarah (liv with son Othniel 1850
     1. Othniel Rice b. 1797 Caswell, NC d. 1884 Madison, AL m. 20 Jan 1842 Mary Mooney
        1. Jo/Hickman Rice b. 1849
        2. Hugh L M Rice b. 1851
     2. James M Rice b. 1798 d. 1860 Raytown, Jackson Co MO m. Nellie Cantwell m. 3 Nov 1825 Caswell Nancy Lea Bruce

        by Nellie Cantwell

        1. Benjamin Rice b. 6 Apr 1822 d. 17 Jan 1918 Kansas City Jackson Co MO m. Jane Cox
        2. ?

        by Nancy Bruce d. 1857

        1. Mary Rice Kelley
        2. Nathaniel Rice b. 4 Apr 1828 d. 10 Jan 1892 Raytown, Jackson Co MO m. Harriett L. West, m. Serelda West - no sons
        3. William Bruce Rice b. 6 Oct 1831 d. 22 Aug 1911Jackson Co MO m. Experience Hewitt m. Ruth A. Bone
           1. James H. Rice b. 1862 Jackson Co MO d. 1939 Dickinson Co Kansas m. Jennie Shumate
           2. William Oscar Rice b. 6/7 Feb 1873 Kansas City Jackson Co MO d. 7/8 Feb 1937 Bexar Co TX
           3. William D (Riley) RICE b. 1865 MO d. 3 Feb 1929 Howard County, TX (DNA proves his parents were not Henry Wise RICE and Abigail RICE)
        4. Ellen 1839-1896
        5. Caroline Rice Hot
        6. James Rice (died in civil war)
        7. Littleton b. 1847
        8. George W 1849
        9. Caroline 1850-1898
     3. Sarah Rice
     4. Mary Lucinda Rice d. Aug 1849 Sumner, TN m. Joseph B. (Ghormley) Gormley
     5. Henrietta Rice d. 1850 Madison, AL
  8. Othniel Rice b. 27 Aug 1771 NC d. 23 Feb 1853 Fayette County, AL m. Sarah Williamson moved to Pendleton District SC then by 1839 AL
     1. Nancy Jane Rice
     2. Hezekiah Rice
     3. James S Rice b. 20 Sep 1799 Anderson County, SC d. 8 Jan 1881 New Lexington, Tuscaloosa County, AL
     4. Sally/Sarah Rice b. 9 Jan 1807 SC d. 13 Nov 1871 Fayette County, AL m. Green Mercer Richards
     5. Jeptha Rice 20 Jun 1804 SC d. 15 Oct 1874 Fayette County, AL
     6. John Rice

  Bullock's

  • Mary Bullock's father Edward left a will written in Hanover 1755 which wills all burned but it was in legal processing decades later in another location where there is a copy of it. He names his son-in-law Clifton Rice who married his daughter Sarah Bullock as an executor. Clifton shows up in a couple of Louisa Co records as a witness. John Bullock married Ann Rice. Were Hezekiah, Clifton and Ann Rice siblings or if not cousins? Siblings marrying siblings was common.

  Line 2 Hezekiah Rice b. 1756-1774 d. Feb 1803 Union SC m. 16 Mar 1783 St. James Northam Parish Goochland VA Mary Saunders b. 7 Oct 1758 d. 17 Aug 1832 Mary has Will 15 Oct 1831 Rev War

  1. William Rice b. 1781-1790 d. ca 1842 Will
  2. John Saunders Rice b. 16 Mar 1783 St. James Northam Parish Goochland VA d. 7 Dec 1847 Talladega AL m. Nancy Coke Herndon settled in Chester District SC. until he removed in 1842 to Talladega, AL
  3. Reuben Sims Rice b. 19 Mar 1790 Union District, SC d. 16 Nov 1842 Union District, SC
     1. Spencer Morgan Rice b. 5 Sep 1829 Union District, SC d. 1 Feb 1908 Union SC
        1. Thomas Anderson Rice b. 28 Apr 1859 Union, Union, SC d. 14 Dec 1931 Union SC FTF73273 #1001359
  4. Jane M Rice b. ? 1783 SC d. ca 30 Aug 1870 Cobb creek MS m. James Foote
  5. Elizabeth Rice b. 12 Apr 1787,Union County, SC d. 17 Nov 1855 Copiah County MS m. Joseph Brown
  6. David B Rice b. 27 Aug 1792 d. 8 Sep 1823 Rock Hill, York County, SC m. Eliza A War 1812 Estate
  7. Nancy Saunders Rice d. 15 Oct 1831 m. ? Foote
  8. Dr Hezekiah Rice Jr b. 18 Apr 1795 Louisa, VA d. 18 Aug 1836 buried Rice Cemetery Union SC m. Nancy T. Glenn Will
  9. Charles Benjamin Nicholas Rice b. 29 Aug 1803 Union SC d. 18 May 1868 Copiah MS

  Comments

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  Haplogroup R-M6586 see Matthew page

  R-M6586 Line 1: 4086 Matthew-Nathan-Jesse R-M6586 Line 2: 56745 Matthew-Nathan-Jesse R-M6586 Line 3: 282422 Matthew-Nathan-Jesse

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  Haplogroup R-FTB38469 see Edward page

  1. R-FTB38469 Line 1: 18407 Thomas & Marcy to Edward to Charles
  2. R-FTB38469 Line 2: 46459 Alexander Rice

  William Rice assumed father

  1. William S Rice b 1813 VA m. Fannie Qualls they are associated with Overton and White Co TN but not sre this os the one from Meigs
     1. Ameda Leander T Rice b. 6 Oct 1852 Overton County, TN
     2. William Landon Rice c. 7 Feb 1854 d. 19 Jun 1924
     3. James Morgan (Jim) Rice b. 8 Feb 1867 Overton, TN
  2. Alexander C Rice b.1807 VA or TN d.15 Mar 1862 Scyene, Dallas Co TX m. Margaret Price 27 Oct 1825 Rhea County, TN m. 27 Nov 1840 Rhea County TN Lucinda Taylor
     1. Amedia Rice b. ca 1831 d. after 1875 m. Emily he remained in Meigs Co TN until his death in 1875. His family went to and are associated with Scott Co Arkansas Served Civil War
        1. Alexander Rice
        2. Frances A Rice
        3. David Rice
        4. Samuel Chester H Rice b. 2 May 1857 TN d. 25 Sep 1914 Scott, AR m. Vashti Othella "Vesta" Haplogroup R-M269
        5. Amedia William Rice
        6. John Rice
        7. Margarette Rice
        8. Mary A Rice
        9. Emily Rice
        10. Bard Rice
     2. Alexander Rice b. ca 1835
     3. George Washington. Rice b Sep 1843 TN d. 8 Dec 1915 Dallas TX m. 3 Dec 1878 Henrietta Smith or Verhein
        1. Ernest Linwood Rice
        2. George Washington Rice b1879 TX d 1954 TX
        3. Alexander Lee Rice
     4. Almira Rice b Sep 1843 TN
     5. Mary M Rice m. 10 Dec 1879 Henry Stedman
     6. Martha Rice
     7. Andrew Jackson Rice b. 26 May 1847 d. 29 Nov 1910 Dallas TX m. Sarah Jane Griffin
        1. John Woodie Rice
     8. Cecelia Rice b.. Jun 1850 d. after 1910 single
     9. Melisan Hattie Elizabeth Rice b. Jun 1854 d. 2 Feb 1918 Ft Worth TX m. William Harrison Griffin
        1. William H Griffin
        2. Eugene Griffin
        3. Ula B Griffin
        4. Myrtle Griffin
        5. Pearl Griffin
  1. Comments
     1. Tax lists in 1833 Rhea County included Meigs and lists both William and Alexander. Meigs County was formed by the Tennessee legislature in 1836 from parts of Rhea County. In 1836 they are both listed under Meigs. Other Rices in Rhea Samuel R Rice & John 1819, Elijah Rice & John 1825, Jasy Rice 1833, T. B. Rice 1837
     2. census 1830: John, Jesse, Gorge, Aron, Alex, 2 William (probably father 50-60 and son), Henry
     3. 1840: Alexander, William S Meigs county
     4. 1850 Meogs" Alexander. Jesse b. abt 1797 VA or NC wife Sarah C Owen children: Calvin Rice, Elizabeth Rice Mary Rice Lackey Rice Mahala Rice John H Rice Thomas J Rice
  Haplogroup R-M6586

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  Haplogroup R-FGC17108 and subset R-FGC17124 see John page

  2 of the 6 testers are through 2 sons of John's (John Jr/Sr and 2 through Thomas CB) so its assumed the mutation occured in John and all his sons will have it. It is likely the 2 test where a tree does not have a paper trail connecting to John b. 1698 are either trough John his son or an unknown other son.
  
  1. R-FGC17108 Line 1: 153550 unknown but descends through John b. 18 Sep 1698 and NOT his son John Jr/Sr of Cassell NC
  2. R-FGC17108 Line 2: 680588 Thomas & Marcy to John Rice Sr to John Rice Jr/Sr to Nathaniel Rice to Archibald Elihu Rice
  3. R-FGC17108 Line 3: 163337 Thomas & Marcy to John Rice Sr to John Rice Jr/Sr to William to Nathaniel Rice b. 1788
  4. R-FGC17124 Line 4: 4897 Thomas & Marcy to John Rice Sr to Thomas Rice CB to Joel C Rice to James David Rice to David Lafayette Rice
  5. R-FGC17124 Line 5: DeMumbrum Big-Y TEST see details on John page
  6. R-FGC17108 Line 6: 20980 Humphrey Posey Rice b.1820 SC d. 1880 m. 11 Feb 1841 Cherokee Co GA Leviny Kuykendall b. NC 1850-1870 Census, GA Cherokee Co Salacoa District 1880 Census, GA Whitfield Co Dalton
     1. Martha Jane Rice b. 1842
     2. John Calvin Rice b. 1843
        
     3. Franklin Cass Rice 1845
     4. Sarah A Rice 1846
     5. Lewis Cass Rice 1847
     6. Laura b. 1849
     7. Amanda Carelin Rice b. 1851
     8. Mary A b. 1853
     9. Susannah b. 1854
     10. Dicey L Rice b. 1859
     11. James/Jefferson Francisco Rice b. 1862

  A Find of Grave for Humphrey says his parrents were John Phillips Rice b. 9 Jun 1797 d. 20 May 1866 Ripley Lauderdale Co TN m. Rachel Rowell b. 19 Nov 1808 SC d. 5 Nov 1858 Durhamville, Lauderdale County, TN. But Rachel Rowell would have been 12 when Humphrey would have been born and there is no obvious connection.

  There are a number of Rices in who lived in Cherokee Co GA when Humphey married there. A possible father for Humphrey is David Rice is old enough and living there in 1840 a year befoe Humphery married. Accuracy ofchildren not verified.

  David Rice b. 1785 NC or SC d. after 1850 David Rices of the right age lived in SC 1820: David Rice in York, David in Barnwell SC, and David in Greenville. A David in Barnwell still there in 1840
  1840-1850 Cherokee Co GA

  1. Anna Rice b. 1815 SC m. 12 Apr 1842 Cherokee Co GA Levi 1815
  2. Elizabeth Rice b. 1815 m. 15 Aug 1840 Elisha P. Bomar
  3. Caroline b. 1817 m. 5 Nov 1846 William Craig
  4. Thomas b. 1818 SC
  5. Jerry b.1819
  6. Humphrey b. 1820
  7. Permilla b. 1823
  8. Nancy b. 1827 m. 2 Aug 1849 Philman Foster
  9. Josiah Rice b. 1831
  10. Benjamin M Rice b. 1831 m. 5 Jan 1851 Easter Young enrolled in navy Jan 1864 at IL 1960 Randolph, AL
  11. James David Rice b. 1844 (?a grandson)

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  Group 4 of the Rice Y-DNA project

  Other testers in Thomas Rice Group 4. We have not proven how the following Y-DNA testers descend from Thomas and Marcy but we know they do based on Y-DNA. Line 1 has a Big-Y but at the highest level Haplogroup R-FGC17119 with no SNP identified mutations at a level below Thomas himself. All the rest have not taken a Big-Y test and are at the lower level. Y-37 to Y-111 tests STRs they are in Haplogroup R-M269. Upgrading to a Big Y or finding new testers could help placing them.

  Line 1 Rev John Rice Haplogroup R-FGC17119

  1. Rev John Rice b. 6 Feb 1760 Prince Edward Co VA d. 19 Mar 1843 Shakertown Mercer KY m. 17 Mar 1781 Halifax VA Elizabeth Hundley He served in the Rev War. After the war he returned to VA. He joined the Baptists at Catawba 1785 in Halifax County, and was baptized by William Datson. He brought his little family to KY and in 1788 to Shawnee Run Mercer KY .All the dates in barious sourcrs are conflicting. He was a member of Gilberts Creek church of Separate Baptists Garrard Co., KY where he was ordained to the gospel. This church had been constituted the year before. Soon after he was ordained by John Baley, Robert Elkin, Joseph Bledsow, and Martin Haggard. A hstory states he baptised his own father who was a Prespeterian, his wife and 8 children.
     1. Mary Rice b. 24 Nov 1785 d. 12 Feb 1864 Mercer Co KY m. 22 Oct 1801, Mercer County, KY Joseph Thomas Hedger
        1. Mary Rice m. John R Hedger
     2. Nancy Rice, b. Abt. 1788; d. Bef. 1844, Shelby County, Kentucky; m. 6 Feb 1806, Mercer John Rigg
     3. Anderson Rice b. 1794 never married
     4. William b. 1795 KY m. Mary
        1. Martha
        2. John
        3. Anne/Martha
     5. Elizabeth Rice b. 1798 Franklin County, KY m. Barton Harris
     6. Joseph L Rice b. 1802 Shakertown Mercer, KY d. Nelson Co KY m. Amanda Jane Garret b. 1817 Nelson Co KY d. 27 Feb 1858 - Nelson, KY
        1. William T Rice b. 18 Jun 1848 Nelson Co, KY d. 25 Apr 1930 Nelson County, KY m. America Greenwell 5 Oct 1848 KY d. 4 Feb 1915 Bullitt, KY & Haplogroup R-FGC17119 #307339
     7. Casandra Rice b. 1804 m. 5 Jan 1837 Andrew Jackson “Jack” Steenbergen b. 15 Feb 1815 Barren Co KY d. 17 Dec 1875 Mercer County, KY
        
     8. Sarah/Sallie Rice b. 1805 never married liv Anderson Co. KY in 1850
     9. Mariah W Rice 7 Feb 1807Mercer Co KY d. 02 Sep 1840, Mercer Co KY m. Fredrich Bradshaw

  Line 2 Jehu M Rice - John Jehu M. Rice b.@1775-1780 d. 1847 Haplogroup R-M269

  Montgomery County KY - appers to be first mention of Jehu

  
  1. 1797 Tax Henry Joseph ??
  2. 1799 Tax James Joseph probably missing part
  3. 1800 Tax James Joseph ………. Jehu
  4. 1801 Tax Jehu Henry Fleman Charles,,,James Joseph Campbell Anderson
  5. 1802 Tax Jehu .. Henry ……… James Joseph Flemon
  6. 1803 Tax Henry………James Joseph David Anderson
  7. 1804 Tax James Joseph David Anderson………Henry Campbell
  8. 1805 Tax Henry……… James Joseph David Anderson Charles
  9. 1810 Fed Census James 45+ Joseph 45+ Shelton, Samuel, Henry 26-44 David 16-25 Joseph may have gone to
  Mercer around 1810
  10. 1820 Fed Census David Sr , Sampson 26-44 Shelton 45+ Polly 45+ James 45+
  11. 1830 Fed Census

  Sumner CountyTN

  1810 Sumner Co William Rice constable
  1820 Gallatin Sumner Co TN Jehu M Rice 26-45 b. 1775 - 1794 liv by Joshua Rice 16-25 & Nath^l (not Nathan) Rice 26-45 (2 males less than 10) William Rice 45 up Kinagah Rice 45 up Nancy Rice
  1820 census, Sumner TN Jehu M Rice males 3 under 10 & 1 10-15, females 2 under 10 and 1 10-15
  1821 Wilson Co Jehu M Rice witnessed some thing
  1824 Sumner Tax List Jehu M Rice William Joseph Keiras John Joshua Nathaniel
  1830 Sumner Co TN William Rice Sr b, 1761-1770 William Rice Jr 20-29 Mary Rice 20-29 & some younger males Matthew Rice b. 1798
  1838 Sumner Tax List Henry James William Polly Joseph Matthew David Thom J
  1840 Joshua Rice 60-69 Joseph, Mary, James, David, Matthew, William
  

  Franklin County Illinois

  1830 Franklin, Illinois Jehu M Rice b. 1771-1780
  1840 Franklin, Illinois Jehu M Rice b. 1771-1780 males 1 1-14 2 15-19 females 1 under 5Franklin, Illinois

  Jehu M Rice (Jahugh) b. 1775-1780 (based on many census) d. 1847 Franklin IL ?m. 6 Oct 1803 Davidson TB Nelly Smothers ?m 4 Mar 1820 Sumner TN Mary Gilbert

  • Charles M Rice b. 1805 Sumner TN d. 1880 Franklin Il m.?? m. 7 Feb 1850 Franklin IL Mary/Polly Smothers
    • John Rice b. 1829
    • Albert Rice b. 1831
    • Mary b. 1836
    • Charles Rice b. 1842
    • Jefferson Rice b. 1854
    • Mary Smothers was a widow with chilfren. Census in 1850 mixed them in a way that needed sorting out.. The following appear to be step children of Charles although they had the last name of Rice in 1850 but not in 1860.
    • Richarfd Rice 15 Smothers in 1860
    • Melissa E Rice 9 Smothers in 1860
    • Chas Allen Rice 7 Smothers in 1860
    • John K P Rice 4 Smothers in 1860
  • John J Rice b. 1810-15 TN d. after 1870 m. 9 Dec 1834 Sumner Co TN Margaret Love b. 1817 d, by 1870
    • James H Rice b. 1835
      William D Rice b. 1838 m. Elizabeth
      • John A
      • James H
    • John J Rice b. Oct 1842 IL d. 11 Apr 1904 Tamaroa IL Curlee Cem m. 20 Sep 1865 Franklin, Ill Margaret Louisa Melvin Rice
      • Charles M. Rice b. 1874 d. 1955
      • James Wesley Rice b. 2 Apr 1877 d. 10 Sep 1943
      • Harry B. Rice b. 6 Jul 1887 d, 19 Dec 1963
    • Margaret E Rice b. 1843
    • Mary J Rice b. 1846
    • Nancy A Rice b. 1850
    • Sarah K Rice b. 1851
    • George W Rice b. 1854
    • Andrew J Rice b. 1857
    • Martha F Rice b. 1859
    • Steven A Douglas Rice b. 7 Jul 1862 Hamilton Co IL d. 2 Feb 1917 Sunfield, Perry, IL m. 10 Jun 1898 Franklin IL Margaret Loucks Rice Benthall Tucker b. 23 Feb 1883 d. 9 Apr 1963
      • Elsie Rice b. 1889 DNA match to Linda Martino
      • Oran P Rice b. 1894
      • Edna Rice b. 1896
      • Herbert Rice b. 1904
      • Ethel Rice b. 1906
      • Alva Rice b. 1907
      • Bertie Rice b. 1910
      • Ruby Ellen Rice
      • Goldie Marie Rice
      • Ina Pauline Rice
  • Stephen 'Steph' Rice b. 1809 TN d, 1850-1860 Franklin IL m. Hamilton IL 4 Dec 1830 Anna Fil
    • Chas B Rice b. 1832
    • Jabez M Rice
    • M M Rice
    • Jos L Rice
    • Steph M Rice
    • Amanda Rice
    • Geo W Rice b. 1850 living with uncle John J in 1860
    • Stephen A Rice 1854 living with uncle John J in 1860
  • Jehu J Rice b, 1820 (census 1850 with brother John J)

  Line 3 James Rice b. 1750 Amelia Co VA d. 1835 Ky Haplogroup R-M269

  James Rice b. 30 Nov 1750 d. 14 Sep 1835 Carroll Co KY
  • David James Rice b. 4 Jan 1782 VA d. 22 Feb 1858 Ghent Carroll Co KY m. Suannah Reiblen b. 1782 NC d. 4 Sep 1854 Ghent Carroll Co KY
    • Polly Ann Rice b. 25 Feb 1811 d. 25 Feb 1811 m. Edward Kern
    • David L Rice b. 12 Nov 1820 d. 13 Mar 1871 m. Elizabeth Johnson
    • James H Rice
    • John Bunyon Rice b. 3 Jul 1818 Montgomery Ky d. 27 Sep 1878 Caroll Co Ky m. Amelia Ann Hoggins Haplogroup R-M269 #17939
    • Elizabeth Rice m. 30 Oct 1823 Montgomery Ky John Ringo

    Comments

    • 1828 Land deed in Montgommery KY Spenser Creek from Hames to David signed by James H and Mary Mhen Rice

  Line 4 Charles Rice liv Madison Co, KY m. Sarah Bryan Haplogroup R-M269

  • 1-- Srgt. Charles RICE b. 1763? d. Madisonville, Hopkins Co KY 1809 m. 11 Jul 1786 Lincoln Co KY Sarah Bryan d. 1830) Sgt, Downing (Capt James Downing) Co, Lincoln County, Mil. Rev. War enlisted 24 Oct-24 Nov 1782 for action against Indians under General George Rogers Clark
    Charles first appears in Madison Cunty when he buys land in Aug 1797. The dd dows list his residence. He does not appear in tax lists prior to buying the land so he probably lived else where in KY before buying the land but the 1850 census does indicate son James was born in Madison.
  •          2-- James RICE-3 (1787-1863) b. Madison ,Kentucky liv. Richmond, Madison KY m. 19 Oct 1815 Elizabeth TURNER-12 (1797-1862)  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Fountain RICE-21 (1816-1891)  Kentucky m. Milanda BOGGS-37 (1823-1899)  Kentucky
  •                  4-- Taylor RICE-45 (1846-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- James RICE-46 (1841-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- Fountain RICE-47 (1844-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- Theodocia S. RICE-48 (1846-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- Richard S. RICE-49 (1849-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- David C. RICE-50 (1851-    )  Madison County,Kentucky
  •                  4-- Edmund RICE-52 (1853-    )
  •                  4-- Robert RICE-53 (1863-    )  Kentucky
  •              3-- Silas RICE-22 (1818-1868)  m. Unk ROBINSOM-38 (1821-    )
  •              3-- Martin RICE-23 (1820-    m. Mary Ann ADAMS-39 (1823-    )  Kentucky
  •              3-- Anne RICE-24 (    -    )
  •              3-- Sallie RICE-25 (    -    )
  •              3-- James RICE-26 (1825-1871)  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Meredith RICE-27 (1826-    )  Madison,Kentucky m. Kate NELSON-40 (1829-    )  Kentucky
  •              3-- Elizabeth J. RICE-28 (1828-    )  Madison,Kentucky m. J. F. DICKERSON-41 (    -    )
  •              3-- Mary RICE-29 (1830-1851)
  •              3-- William RICE-30 (1832-1866)  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Samuel RICE-31 (1833-    )  Madison,Kentucky m. Susan EASLEY-42 (    -    )
  •              3-- Thomas RICE-32 (1838-    )  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Robert RICE-33 (1837-    )  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Charles Walker RICE-34 (1839-1913)  Madison County, Kentucky
  •               m. Nannie DUERSON-43 (1845-1927) Madison County, Kentucky
  •                         4-Monte T. Rice (1869 -   ) Madison County, Kentucky m. Alice Sutton 
  •                         4-Ollie W. Rice (1871-  ) Johnson County, Missouri               
  •                         4-Leslie Duerson Rice (1874-1955) Johnson County, Missouri m. Anna Julia Morrow (1883-1974) Newton County, Missouri
  •                                     5-John Morrow Rice (1917-1993) Newton County, Missouri m. Kay Adkins (1916-1999) McDonald County, Missouri
  •                                                 6-John Morrow Rice Jr. (1944-   ) Seattle, WA   Haplogroup R-M269   #19119
  •                                                 6-David Adkins Rice (1947-    ) Newton County, Missouri
  •                         4-Hugh C. Rice (1876-   ) Johnson County, Missouri m. Allie Hilbert
  •              3-- Judith RICE-35 (1840-    )  Madison,Kentucky
  •              3-- Nancy RICE-36 (1843-    )  Madison,Kentucky    m. John MILLER-44 (    -    )
  •          2-- Ichabod RICE-4 (1789-1876) m. Polly JOHNSON-13 (    -    )
  •          2-- William RICE-5 (1791-    )
  •          2-- Bryant RICE-7 (1793-    )  m. Elizabeth CANOTE-15 (    -    )
  •          2-- Sarah RICE b. 25 Jul 1793   d.  26 Dec 1873 m. 3 Jan 1811 Madison KY James Geery
  •          2-- Mary RICE-9 (1797-    )   m. William WALKER-17 (    -    )
  •          2-- Rachel Rebecca RICE b. 29 Mar 1798 d. 26 Jun 1870 m. Joseph Cambell
  •          2-- Charles RICE-6 (1800-    )  Madison,Kentucky   m. Fanny RUCKER-14 (    -    )
  •          2-- Elizabeth RICE-11 (1801-    ) m. David GILLESPIE-19 (    -    )
  •          2--? Katy RICE-20 (1803-    )